Saturday, November 06, 2004

America in Red and Blue


Countryelection04Map, originally uploaded by mightymerk.

Red = counties who voted for Presdient Bush, Blue = counties that voted for John Kerry.

It is frequently said that statistics can be developed to demonstrate anything you want to...and I generally agree.

I am not a political blogger, though I certainly have political interest and opinions. I wanted to share this with some of my international friends though.

The map above shows how the election results broke down county by county in the U.S.

It must be noted that the most densely populated counties tended to vote for Kerry, conversely some of the most sparcely populated counties voted for Bush (though my own county would be an exception to both).

Looks like material for a blog at a later post regarding political trends by county for the past few decades. I would be interested in seeing what, if any fluctuations have taken place.

Posted by mightymerk, 5:52 AM

9 Comments:

By Anonymous Anonymous

Anecdotal evidence (I do not have actual statistics) suggests that the voters in the more densely populated counties were very decisive on the candidate they chose. There is obviously a direct correlation between urban areas, where the population is generally more educated and cultured, and the South and rural Midwest, where people are less knowledge hungry on an intellectual level and more entrenched in their “morals” and “values” that they were brought up with. So, in effect Bush was a chosen candidate based largely on their perception of those religious ideals. I don’t want to stereotype, but I doubt that a huge percentage of those “red” states internalized and debated some of this country’s most volatile issues such as Iraq and the national deficit. Quite the contrary, because it appears most of the voters in the south/rual Midwest based their decision on evangelical quandaries like abortion and stem cell research. Could you postulate that the “blue” voters are mostly liberal in their views? I believe this to be the case. Take NYC for example, which arguably consists of the most diverse population in the world. They were hit the biggest with 9/11, emotionally and economically. 89% voted for Kerry. The same went for most metropolitan areas around the county.

@ 9:31 AM  

By Blogger irish

Merk i just tried to send u an email but it doesnt seem to be working anymore.

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@ 11:39 AM  

By Blogger mightymerk

Hi Irish,

Try again. I just checked and it is working


look forward to receiving your message

@ 12:56 PM  

By Blogger mightymerk

There is a lot being 'said' about voters and voting statistics.

The first part of your comment troubles me:
I find your assertion that there is an obvious "direct correlation between urban areas, where the population is generally more educated and cultured, and the South and rural Midwest, where people are less knowledge hungry on an intellectual level and more entrenched in their “morals” and “values” that they were brought up with.", to be quite outrageous on several accounts, namely the assertion that people from the midwest and South somehow lack the intellect of the big cities (I would actually argue otherwise) and that people of the Big Cities lack a sense of morality and/or values. If you really believe this to be true I lack the desire and/or energy to try to convice you otherwise.

I still think I can answer your question though... :)

The second part of your comment I find more accurate and more telling: Namely you can not understimate people's propensity to look out for #1.

It seems quite extraordinary that the good people of NYC 'appeared' to reject the war on terror and national security as critical issues (especially when you consider they were mostly effected my 9/11.

It would also seem amazing that the very good people of the South and Midwest seemed to draw equal parallels in importance to the subjects of the war on terror/homeland security and a host of social/moral issues (namely stem cell research/gay marriage etc.)

Neither scenario is so amazing though when you consider that the needs and values (while present in both groups) are considerably different and generally have been for some time. Each party has done a great job at catering to the core base and the core needs of these demographics.

Certainly NYC is generally more liberal but I would argue it is essentially tied into the fact that is is demographically more diverse, in terms of ethnicity, social and economic status. The Democratic party is largely percieved to be the 'giving party' to those of lower economic/social status, and mnore immigrant friendly. Despite having very centrist minded Republican Mayors for the past 3 terms, I am not sure you will ever see NYC go red on national elections.

With regards to the Midwest and Souther Voters their value system is centered more closely to judeo/christian principles, would focus more on those issues that have always mattered most to them. (protection for the unborn and the sanctity of marriage).

@ 8:22 AM  

By Anonymous Anonymous

"Looks like material for a blog at a later post regarding political trends by county for the past few decades. I would be interested in seeing what, if any fluctuations have taken place."

I was simply giving a quick personal delivery of what I perceived to be a disparity in the fundamental thought process in today's public, hence the polarization that has galvanized this county through heated debate on the issues mentioned. If you find my comments disturbing, then surely you have analytical data to back up your observations. I do not, that is why I prefaced my own comments with the clause that it was purely anectodal. You had an interesting thesis you detialed in the last paragraph that I pasted above that I think should be pursued.

Also, I will mention that morals and ideals are very important attributes, but you have to realize there is extreme cultural lag in regards to those red states vs. blue. Nor do I assume that liberals are not moral or ethical people in their own right, they are just more likely to embrace scientific acheivements such as stem cell, or birth control, agree or disagree. I've travelled to South, and it is the Bible belt. These issues are of paramount importance, and I beleive they overshadow issues such as unilateral preemptive action and even health care.

@ 11:57 AM  

By Blogger mightymerk

OK,

Well first off there are all kinds of stats available that compare state by state in terms of economic placement, education, teen pregnancy etc.

There are plenty of resources for this stuff:
http://www.teenpregnancy.org
www.dcvote.org/pdfs/dcpopecon.pdf


With my last post, my 'research' really was only based on personal experience more than anything else. Basically what I consider my informed opinion.

Yes the nation is galvanized behind particular issues, but I would not agree there is clear cut cultural "lag".

For instance the idea that NYC are more likely to embrace scientific achievement. Like most things, this would only be partially correct as most many from this same demographic my embrace stem cell research but oppose animal testing, nuclear energy etc.

Further, while many Southerners and Midwest Conservative folk find the practice of abortion wrong on moral grounds they generally have the highest divorce rates, and rank high in out of wedlock teen pregnancies, etc., in these regions. Surely these are not traditional moral practices.

The bottom line is that people are far from consistent but as you mentioned they are currently galvanized behind 'choice' subjects. Probably not since the Civil
War have we seen such a divided nation on such relatively few issues.

@ 5:09 PM  

By Blogger qqqqqqitup

Hey
Cut the bullshit and get with the real game.

Get on board the real life express.
Join me Troy in making a better world
Better than your petty bullshit


I want you on my side Mightmerk.
What do you say
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@ 9:50 PM  

By Blogger mightymerk

If you are out to make the world a better place...then I am already with you.

Regarding my petty bullshit? I am not sure what you mean.

@ 6:51 AM  

By Blogger qqqqqqitup

I apoligize Mightymerk, I had confused my comment content. Glad to hear you're for a better world.

@ 11:09 AM  

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